When Bill asks what, she simply responds, "Fuck." Eyes Wide Shut developed after Stanley Kubrick read Arthur Schnitzler's Dream Story in 1968, when Kubrick was looking for a project to follow 2001: A Space Odyssey. Kubrick was interested in adapting the story, and with the help of journalist Jay Cocks, bought the filming rights to the novel. At what point do we decide whether Corpse Mandy's very. > He didn't recognise her voice. (Just like we dream alone, even if we're in bed with someone else.). Are you suggesting that the people running Somerton would let thewomen there know that there was an interloper? <<<<<<<<<<<<<>. >What else could> he call it? <<<<<<<<<<. So check out Mandy's Wink on the slab---it's very fast, but it is there:), Yeah but he used the same actor for different roles in Dr Strangeloveand in some scenes of Eyes Wide Shut he has Cruise on a treadmillagainst a blue screen using real photography of NYC behind him, thenin the next scene Cruise is filmed against a set in england. At what point do we decide whether Corpse Mandy's very slight, single frame, mini-wink and subsequent eye movement was intended? It's not like > he is going to voice all his thoughts.>>>, >> >>>>>> But which 'party' is Bill referring to? >Even in the morgue he still might not have> been positive, but he replays her voice in his head while looking over the> body. Ironically, that is just what power (and Ziegler)> would want you to believe - that the world of power and power elites> doesn't exist, is just all a charade anyway, that those who do> recognise the realities of social power and of desire are just> paranoid conspiracy nutters (when in fact it is those who> attribute all that occurs in the film to 'a dream' who are being> properly paranoid). Imay bewrong, but I think Kubrick intended it that way. <<<<<<<<<<<. Ironically, that is just what power (and Ziegler)would want you to believe - that the world of power and power elitesdoesn't exist, is just all a charade anyway, that those who dorecognise the realities of social power and of desire are justparanoid conspiracy nutters (when in fact it is those whoattribute all that occurs in the film to 'a dream' who are beingproperly paranoid). WebEyes Wide Shut Mask Woman - Etsy Browse a wide selection of eyes wide shut mask woman and face coverings available in various fabrics and configurations, made by a Ironically, that is just what power (and Ziegler)would want you to believe - that the world of power and power elitesdoesn't exist, is just all a charade anyway, that those who dorecognise the realities of social power and of desire are justparanoid conspiracy nutters (when in fact it is those whoattribute all that occurs in the film to 'a dream' who are beingproperly paranoid). WebThe protagonists mask (Bill Harford, interpreted by Tom Cruise) is a Venetian mask that covers the entire face. ANSWER. Yes, the uncertainty about the identities of the women is Structuralto the film's splintered narrative. > > Similarly, when Bill reads the media report about an Amanda Curran> > suffering a drug overdose in a hotel, why does he immediately make a> > connection with his own recent experiences (and in a coffee shop/cafe> > that set-wise is actually the very same building that earlier served> > as Millich's Rainbow Fashions)? in fact if you look very closely, Mandy on the Slab, winks. >> First of all, Mandy must have felt some connection with Bill since he >> was showing her concern and kindness in the Bathroom.>, > Bill in that scene was simply behaving as a (not very) professional> doctor; and he seemed just as concerned about Ziegler's anxiety than> about Mandy's actual wellbeing. > Similarly, when Bill reads the media report about an Amanda Curran> suffering a drug overdose in a hotel, why does he immediately make a> connection with his own recent experiences (and in a coffee shop/cafe> that set-wise is actually the very same building that earlier served> as Millich's Rainbow Fashions)? Mon 14th Feb 2022 19.00 GMT. (2) With AT&T recently announcing that they will dump almost all of their public pay phones, where can he change? http://groups.google.com/group/alt.movies.kubrick/browse_frm/thread/16629c3d6011a459/705fb749859063b2?lnk=gst&q=treadmill#705fb749859063b2. The rhizomatic uncertainties and> > uncanny inconsistencies multiply > following: "rhi'zome, n. A rootlike stem under or along the ground,> ordinarily in a horizontal position, which usually sends out roots from> from its lower surface and leafy shoots from its upper surface. Let's get out of here.You're my witness. But it is obvious from Kubrick's portrayal of Somerton that thewomen are there purely as sex-workers, are there toservice the inner sanctum of male patriarchy in the ritualized desire-space of the power elite at Somerton. :>I thought this film was much less interesting than the competing film. MYMENU MYMENU Masquerade Mask For Couples Bill is still even denying he knows what Zeigler > is talking about till Zeigler says "I was there at the house. The film centers on a profoundly unsatisfied couple tied together not by pure love, but by social convenience and appearances. Web .

1925 . It is as if he Wanted, as if hedesired, compelled, it to be so again, its at two - simultaneousbut contradictory - levels (as ALWAYS in many of Kubrick's films -like in The Shining: are the spectral ghosts 'real' or is Jack etcimagining them? Perhaps the conspiracies surrounding Eyes Wide Shut began when the maker of the film, Stanley Kubrick, died only days after the first viewing of it. I don't think there were any other dreams, although the redpool table scene always seemed the most dreamlike to me. ANSWERS: 4. I enjoy the mystery entirely and will return to it over and over and could watch the film again and again. A part-time hobby soon blossomed into a career when he discovered he really loved writing about movies, TV and video games; he even (arguably) had a little bit of talent for it. 1. Which all suggests that Ziegler didn't actually knowabout Bill's presence at Somerton until he removed his mask <<<<<<<<<<<<. Being "all a Charade," doesn't mean it was all a dream. Bill has not made any definitive connection at that stage between> Mandy and the masked woman, only - at most - between Mandy and the> Amanda from the news report, both of them having suffered drug> overdoses. The second half of Eyes Wide Shut sees Bill being given ominous warnings from this secret society, and he can't seem to find his mask from the party. But that's not the half of it. >> >>>>>> But which 'party' is Bill referring to? If those 2-3 women were supposed to be the same woman, Kubrick would, I thought this film was much less interesting than the competing film, In rec.arts.movies.past-films Kelpzoidzl <, In rec.arts.movies.past-films Harry Bailey <, On Feb 26, 3:27pm, "Avoid normal situations. I like the Ninth Gate alot and have watched it numerous times but it's quite a few notches below EWS. Which all suggests that Ziegler didn't actually know> about Bill's presence at Somerton until he removed his mask > <<<<<<<<<<<<. He treated her as a not-very-important> patient; no Mandys attend Bill's upmarket surgery.>, Apparently word of Bill's entry into the ceremony/orgy traveled fast.>, > How? How doesshe know this? Technology has caught up with his disguises andcovers. And isn't this the mistake that many of the film'scritics made, reading Ziegler's story as 'ruining' the mystery,desublimating the film's narrative by means of an all-neat-and-tidydenouement? And isn't this the mistake that many of the film's> critics made, reading Ziegler's story as 'ruining' the mystery,> desublimating the film's narrative by means of an all-neat-and-tidy> denouement? Padraig has been writing about film online since 2012, when a friend asked if he'd like to contribute the occasional review or feature to their site. Alot was going on, he had to figure it out. The official cause of death was from a heart attack. Was she the women at the party?" WebEyes Wide Shut Flat Mask By NomadMessenger From $8.79 Wide Awake during 2020, by Haus of Butterfly Flat Mask By hausofbutterfly From $10.99 Eyes Wide Shut Flat Mask By ArjunVile From $10.99 Colorful watercolor ink splash woman portrait Flat Mask By Misschemical From $9.16 Colorful watercolor ink splash woman portrait Flat Mask By Is that how youwould describe it? It is only when Ziegler responds> positively to Bill's question, "The woman at the party is the woman in> the morgue?" Again, how is it 'clearly' the same voice? Next: The Shining: Why Stanley Kubrick Changed Stephen King's Story. >He also must have recognized the voice, considering that her voice is >somewhat deep and throaty with a tinge of distinctive accent. He discovers an underground sexual group and attends one of their meetings -- and quickly discovers that he is in over his head. But then, Ziegler's 'explanation', his retconningof past events, only serves to further propel Bill into subjectivedestitution, another 'replay' of Bill's unmasking at Somerton, Zieglerpower-presiding over Bill's position and status at a red pool-tablemuch like Red Cloak presided over the power ritual on a red carpet atSomerton. When we see the news article about dead Mandy, it says "Beauty Queen"but how did Bill know that was the same woman who ODd or helped him atthe orgy, since he never knew the real name of either? >>>>>>>>>>>And didn't Ziegler subsequently admit that the Somerton peopleonly learned of Bill's identity as a result of becoming suspicious ofhis manner of arrival and the costume-rental receipt in his coatpocket?<<<<<<<<<<<<<. It is only when Ziegler respondspositively to Bill's question, "The woman at the party is the woman inthe morgue?" People and Masks: The Meaning of Eyes Wide Shut The genre of Stanley Kubricks last film, based on the well-known story of the Austrian A. Schnitzler, The The (unnamed) woman in the mask who warns > Doctor Cruise is the same woman who ends up dead in the morgue. This is Eyes Wide Shut revisited. >>>>>>>>If this were really thecase, wouldn't Bill have recognised that voice when speaking to themasked woman at Somerton, instead of asking her "Who are you?" Eyes Wide Shut cast Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman as a married couple, with the former playing a doctor who goes on a strange, sexually charged journey one night when his wife admits to having had adulterous thoughts. The poolroom scene is an amazing piece of extreme understatement, while at the same time, being simplke and concrete. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<, > It's "clear," after studying the film after many viewing.>, > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Ziegle'sr story here once again, and then retrospectively> interpellating and internalising it, re-interpreting all the earlier> events of the film in strict accordance with his frankly deeply> suspect account? >In a big crowd of masked people, Zeigler (his eyes give away who he is), So why didn't Bill also recognise the identity of this masked figureon the basis of his eyes?<<<<<<<<<<<<. In Eyes Wide Shut, Abigail Good plays a `Mysterious Woman'. "you are going to need some rehab," she says, >> "I know.">. ", and for those whom may have something like an actual interest in, > In rec.arts.movies.past-films Kelpzoidzl <. And Milich was expecting him. "you are going to need some rehab," she says, "I know." But then again when Superman puts on a pair of plain eyeglassesLois Lane, or anyone else fails to recognize him as Clark Kent! <<<<<<<<, > In the spur of the moment people might first recognize voices, > subliminally. The masked woman was played by a different actor but is the samecharacter. 20 years ago today, the final masterpiece from the late, great Stanley Kubrick arrived in theaters. I think it is clear he was referring to the Somerton party. >>Even in the morgue he still might not have been positive, but he replays >>her voice in his head while looking over the body. But he can't know for sure (because she was> masked at Somerton).>, >> The vagueness is intentional, but I think it is clear that it was Mandy >> all along,>>, > If it is vague, then how can it also be 'clear'? (and i'm sure that doesn't even begin to label them in full) They were nutcases. My extra-fat dictionary yields the following: "rhi'zome, n. A rootlike stem under or along the ground,ordinarily in a horizontal position, which usually sends out roots fromfrom its lower surface and leafy shoots from its upper surface.". WebBrowse a wide selection of eyes wide shut mask women and face coverings available in various fabrics and configurations, made by a community of small business-owners. Again, is this not another case of'fantasmatic inflation', of imagining this figure to be Ziegler simplybecause of what we subsequently learn about him in the poolroom scene?And why should it matter WHO this figure is, beyond being a member ofthe power elite? orpsychotherapists. >>>>>>>>>>>>And didn't Ziegler subsequently admit that the Somerton people> only learned of Bill's identity as a result of becoming suspicious of> his manner of arrival and the costume-rental receipt in his coat> pocket?<<<<<<<<<<<<<, > So maybe they were all wearing walkie talkies under those masks, what do, > you want me to say?..no, this IS left as a huge mystery. Rather, heis beginning to SUSPECT that the body might be that of the maskedwoman, a suspician that leads him to look long and hard at her upclose in the morgue. The point, however, is that even if all three female'characters' are the same woman (and so, effectively, the samecharacter), this serves to set up even more contradictions, not tomention buying in to Ziegler's warped, patriarchal world. Here was Stanley Kubrick, for many the worlds greatest living filmmaker, returning with his first finished project in 12 years a sexually provocative adult drama, utterly shrouded in secrecy, starring pre-eminent Hollywood power couple Tom Mandy was not the same woman. Eyes Wide Shut is a 1999 erotic mystery psychological drama film directed, produced and co-written by Stanley Kubrick. And the redeemer's pubic hair is also trimmed the same. He only ultimately accepts Ziegler's account because it> gives him a convenient alibi (as well as because of Ziegler's powerful> position - Bill is Ziegler's man, obeying his orders, subscribing to> the demands and realities of Ziegler's world). Given that you have, as you already admitted, absolutely nounderstanding of the terms used or indeed the context in which theywere used, your pedantry is now exposed as pure and contemptiblefraudulence. If he were> Ziegler, wouldn't he instead be going out of his way to privately> communicate with Bill, to get Bill out of Somerton as quickly as> possible in order to avoid any possible trouble (and as Ziegler> subsequently admits, Bill's gate-crashing 'made me look like a> complete fool')? >>>>>>>> And even if it was clear, even if he hadreferred directly to the events of the night before as the (Somerton)party, it would still be uncertain, because, 1. Perhaps Alice was already attending these rituals and this was a way to gently break in stuffy and repressed Bill to this new found club and part of his initiation. I think the voice would have rung a bell and > the Newspaper story rang a bell, with the name Amanda, and of course > seeing the corpse of someone who may have sacrificed her life for him--so > he was in shock. How? You're coming across as yet another FUCKING TROLL!! >on the balcony looking down> at Bill, knows that it is him and nodded to him. I am ready > I am still on the side of those who think SK left that scene of the > reflection of the sound man holding the boom mike at his crotch, in the > crome tub enclosure, on purpose, that the DVD edited out. > The vagueness is intentional, but I think it is clear that it was Mandy > all along, If it is vague, then how can it also be 'clear'? >He also must have recognized> the voice, considering that her voice is somewhat deep and throaty with a> tinge of distinctive accent. The (unnamed) woman in the mask who warns Doctor Cruise is the same woman who ends up dead in the morgue. That is what she was" implying that her deathis of no consequence because of the low-status manner in which Zieglerchooses to define her (an identity created and perpetuated by theZieglers of the world in the first place), earlier confirmed by hisdesire to get the drugged-out Mandy out of his bathroom and house("Can we put some clothes on her and get her out of here?" And isn't this the mistake that many of the film'scritics made, reading Ziegler's story as 'ruining' the mystery,desublimating the film's narrative by means of an all-neat-and-tidydenouement? Statanic mass? <<<<<<<<<<<>. If it was all a elaborate part of Bill's initiation into the order. In contrast, why does the masked woman seeminglyalready know much more than they do? There are many aspects of it that ARE still a > mystery such as I was suggesting with the costume. The film revolves around the tension between these twophenomena; it is about this tension): 1. desiring Amanda Curran to bethe Mandy from Ziegler's party would confirm his guilt - in hisprofessional capacity as a doctor attending a patient in need - aboutleaving her fate in the hands of Ziegler, serving power rather thanmorality or medical ethics, a guilt he now seeks to redress byimmediately going to visit Amanda/Mandy at the hospital to try andredeem himself; and 2. desiring Amanda to be the masked woman, a womanwho seemingly redeems Bill's Somerton-crashing guilt for him via theSomerton 'charade.'. You're coming across as yet another FUCKING TROLL!! In a buddhist sutra, Sakyamuni, criticized the compulsive mental masturbators and referred to them as people "counting ganges sands." The genre of Stanley Kubricks last film, based on the well-known story of the Austrian A. Schnitzler, The Novel of Dreams (1925-1926), can be interpreted in different ways. '<<<<<<<<<<< I think it is clear he was > referring to the Somerton party. But what he was getting at was whether it was > murder and a sacrifice for him, which makes him feel responsible, since it > would not have happened had he not been there. If he wereZiegler, wouldn't he instead be going out of his way to privatelycommunicate with Bill, to get Bill out of Somerton as quickly aspossible in order to avoid any possible trouble (and as Zieglersubsequently admits, Bill's gate-crashing 'made me look like acomplete fool')? If it is vague, then how can it also be 'clear'? People often don't make definitive connections between things at the moment. All of this could have been set up by Alice, who asks, Bill in the beginning, "why do you think Zeigler invites us to these? The 'mystery' is how SHE knows that he is an interloper. Now that's out of the way, a brief introduction. Mandy was not the same woman. Eyes Wide Shut cast Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman as a married couple, with the former playing a doctor who goes on a strange, sexually charged journey one It's pronounced Paw-rick, not Pad-raig. WebDirected by Stanley Kubrick Writing Credits Cast (in credits order) verified as complete Produced by Music by Jocelyn Pook Cinematography by Larry Smith (lighting I am normally the last guy in the, > world to criticize somebody for using big words. Masks - both literal and figurative - are a major motif, and one of the most important sequences is when Bill infiltrates a masked sex party at a remote mansion, which is being held by members of high society. reinforced bythe simple observation that you have never actually posted here before[at least under your supplied handle/ID]. Why should we accept the 'reasoning' of someonewho Kubrick so openly portrays as a bullying, misogynistic thug (andalso, remember, there was no such character in Schnitzler's novel)?Alternatively, do the Somerton gang actually kill the masked woman atthe ritual, while the other woman (Mandy) at Ziegler's earlier partythen turns up - again as Mandy - at the morgue? -Herodotus, You do not have permission to delete messages in this group, Either email addresses are anonymous for this group or you need the view member email addresses permission to view the original message, I thought the woman who ODd at the dance party (Mandy), the woman who, Well, in the interview with "Mandy" - I don't care to look up her name, Here is a youtube video of "Mandy" (Julienne Davis), singing in her band, I sent a message to the YouTube person who hosted those "Mandy" videos if. When Bill thinks hes just about to score his own sexual liaison, his charade is exposed. But I agree the way it is done is brilliant and it leaves all of us unsure of everything, opening up infinite possibilites as to what it all means. The Redeemer's voice does sound alot like Mandy's voice, both with a hint of a New York accent. As though testing how well Bill's implanted suggestions had taken..????? Harry, you are calling him a troll for criticizing your manic, vain and pretentious word salad? > that unless they are encoded in single frames for analysis will alwasy be > a mystery. - Ziegler> wasn't concerned about her health, just eager to get rid of her so as> to avoid any potential social embarrassment, "Bill, this is just> between us").>>> What is interesting is that the film's very ambiguity concerning the> identities of the three women (Mandy, masked woman, woman in morgue),> sets up a desire to 'fill in' all the film's narrative gaps and> deadlocks, a desire to shut down such uncertainty, to give - just like> Ziegler - an easy, 'commonsensical' black and white 'explanation' of> events. Bill in that scene was simply behaving as a (not very) professionaldoctor; and he seemed just as concerned about Ziegler's anxiety thanabout Mandy's actual wellbeing. >>>>>>>>>> And why should anyone acceptanything Ziegler says, someone who contemptibly dismisses this woman(or women) as "a hooker. In a case like that a pwerson would go through the various possibilities in his mind, but he was kinda busy. As 1999 approached, what little was known about Eyes Wide Shut was almost indecently tantalising. What is interesting is that the film's very ambiguity concerning theidentities of the three women (Mandy, masked woman, woman in morgue),sets up a desire to 'fill in' all the film's narrative gaps anddeadlocks, a desire to shut down such uncertainty, to give - just likeZiegler - an easy, 'commonsensical' black and white 'explanation' ofevents. > Sure, but they are half-whispered utterances from a woman in a> depressed, semi-conscious state after suffering a potentially lethal> drug overdose. - Zieglerwasn't concerned about her health, just eager to get rid of her so asto avoid any potential social embarrassment, "Bill, this is justbetween us"). <<<<<<<<<<<<<. while walking down one of the NY streets, the background glowsbeautifucally. and she >> replies, "Better," and then when Bill says, "you are a very lucky girl," >> Mandy says, "I know." The "over the rainbow" remark earlier at Zeigler's party was already a suggestion for Bill to think of his patient who owned "Rainbow Fashions." The goal of yoga practice was to STOP all that useless babble---because that is how a person actually makes the breakthrough to see reality as it is. He treated her as a not-very-importantpatient; no Mandys attend Bill's upmarket surgery. He did not know who she was: she was wearinga mask. What a joke to call them "philosophers." and she > replies, "Better," and then when Bill says, "you are a very lucky girl," > Mandy says, "I know." Put on some headphones and listen. There are many, many readings of the story available, with the movie itself embracing a sort of dream/nightmare logic. But he still wasn't sure after reading the news story, or even aftervisiting the morgue, as his disbelief at Ziegler's explanationindicated. Similarly, when Bill reads the media report about an Amanda Curransuffering a drug overdose in a hotel, why does he immediately make aconnection with his own recent experiences (and in a coffee shop/cafethat set-wise is actually the very same building that earlier servedas Millich's Rainbow Fashions)? I recognized the voice of the mysterious woman first time I saw the film. Alot was going on, he had to figure it out. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<. I found them both disappointing. For instance,it's fairly obvious from the start who the Mysterious Woman is. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Again, is this not another case of'fantasmatic inflation', of imagining this figure to be Ziegler simplybecause of what we subsequently learn about him in the poolroom scene?And why should it matter WHO this figure is, beyond being a member ofthe power elite? In one of the final scenes, Bill comes home and as he comes to bed he sees Alice (Nicole Kidman) sleeping next to the same Venetian mask he wore at the party. > Well thats all true, but of course that was SK making a masterpiece and > one of the most amazing films ever made IMO. Please either stop or> shape up. Wasn't the woman in the mask a lot skinnier than the ODd woman?? >>>>>>>>>>>> And if this firgure was Ziegler, why would he subsequentlysend a naked masked woman over to Bill for his benefit? Orgy? WebChords for Backward Priests, normal version of Masked Ball Eyes wide shut with lyrics. So is Ziegler lying? Crumb Eye. Perhaps it> would have worked better if there had been a photo in the news> article. Apparently word of Bill's entry into the ceremony/orgy traveled fast. "you are going to need some rehab," she says, "I > know.". And of course how did > the mask get on his pillow? That is what she was" implying that her death> is of no consequence because of the low-status manner in which Ziegler> chooses to define her (an identity created and perpetuated by the> Zieglers of the world in the first place), earlier confirmed by his> desire to get the drugged-out Mandy out of his bathroom and house> ("Can we put some clothes on her and get her out of here?" The rhizomatic uncertainties and> > uncanny inconsistencies multiply >> "Rhizomatic uncertainties"?>> I actually had to look that up. Plus there is *no* *way* that a rare bookdealer would smoke anywhere near a book of which there are only threecopies in existence. He obtains the secret password to a clandestine masked ball, where he has a seductive encounter with a beautiful stranger. Poor pitiful morons that we all are -thank Bog he's put off Nirvana for so long. I recognized the voice of the > mysterious woman first time I saw the film.>>, >> it is clearly the same voice as the "mysterious woman." Related: Every Stanley Kubrick Movie Ranked, Worst To Best. He wasn't positive. > anything and 2. never actually spoke (just some unintelligible > mumbling),<<<, > No, she clearly says "sorry" to Zeigler when he says "you gave us a scare > kiddo" and then Bill asks her, "How are you feeling now Mandy?" <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<. > <<<<<<< after> visiting the morgue, as his disbelief at Ziegler's explanation> indicated. Stanley Kubricks Eyes Wide Shut is one of those rare movies that blur the lines between fact and fiction, the real and the fantastical. There's also search enginessuch as Google where you can search for information. This is Eyes Wide Shut revisited. WebThe bodies of more completely nude masked women assail Bills voyeuristic eyes (and those of the audience). As for Kelpzoid's rants on the topic - isn't there a RAW Illuminatusng out there somewhere? But he can't know for sure (because she wasmasked at Somerton). >, but, besides that you're> not bothering, even, to use them correctly, the way that you are using them> serves to obfuscate rather than clarify your meaning. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<, > This is still a mystery. Bill is, after all, wearing a mask; not only that, butthe Mandy who was in Ziegler's bathroom the night before was 1. sodrugged out as to have been clearly incapable of making sense ofanything and 2. never actually spoke (just some unintelligiblemumbling), Ziegler doing all the talking and explaining. "My Sex Slave video with Chinese subtitles"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjMIROKzH7s, ZKD 788-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4N4vSijHTM, Im Treibhaus (Wesendonck Lieder) - Richard Wagner - Faynehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOhxWdGuQd4, When he claps his hands together. > Mandy was not the same woman. and she replies, "Better," and then when Bill says, "you are a very lucky girl," Mandy says, "I know." Even though much was 'cleared" up there are still major mysteries here that unless they are encoded in single frames for analyssis will alwasy be a mystery. However, as we might imagine, there were many who believed his death was far from natural. it is clearly the same voice as the "mysterious woman." I had absolutely no idea you were involved in any way. Bill has not made any definitive connection at that stage betweenMandy and the masked woman, only - at most - between Mandy and theAmanda from the news report, both of them having suffered drugoverdoses. The Daily Planet may go under too. He's super modern too, so his favorite movies include Jaws, Die Hard, The Thing, Ghostbusters and Batman. The big question is how did the mask get there, and who left it? :>released around the same time, The Ninth Gate. 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