Tbh, quality troops will usually win wars against the Ottomans. It's kind of irrelevant though, because even though I have almost two times the total development of the Ottomans, they still have a much larger army and stronger allies. disaster which hurts your technological advancements tremendously. By now, the Ottomans are a powerhouse that dominates the Middle East and the Eastern Mediterranean. Engage when you have a clear advantage and use your massive amounts of vassals. They will either leave you alone while they fight their war, at which point you can just focus on sieging down as many forts as you can, or they'll come straight to confront you, leaving themselves vulnerable in the other front (which means less area to call reinforcements from, income diminishes, war exhaustion goes up). Poland/Lithuania, Russia, France, Austria, can be very useful if you gang up on the The Ottomans. Did you find this guide helpful, or did you run into trouble anywhere? Press J to jump to the feed. Decent generals, high morale and good army tradition can be of great help. Meanwhile, declare war on the Mamluks to take Palestine, Transjordan, and start expanding into Arabia. However, history wont stop us! A place to share content, ask questions and/or talk about the grand strategy game Europa Universalis IV by Paradox Development Studio. I still had Ajam as a vassal, which gets cores on much of Iran. This will often make them take the long way around the Black Sea in wars, slowing them down considerably. I played a Russia campaign a couple of weeks back, and attacked the Ottomans a lot late mid-game to late game, and I used my ally Spain to crush their armies (they easily won battles against the Ottos while being outnumbered 2:1). Find the first and second installments of this guide here: Since this Ottomans EU4 guide is so RNG-heavy, youll likely be running into situations that dont play out as planned. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. If you annex them, you can no longer get the -10% Aggressive Expansion bonus. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. So keep picking at small stacks. Moreover, it will anger our next target of expansion: Tunis. I was sowing discontent Ottoman Empire right from the get go, but at this point I started funneling my extremely large treasury into supporting the Ottoman rebellion. And dont forget to fabricate a claim, of course. If you are fiercly religious don't make it your mission to take their clay and convert it but force their country to answer to your god. That's why my new. Works better if you have a fleet to block the straight, e.g. If they have a weaker ally (Tunis is often good for this), DOW on them; this will drag Ottos in, but without the benefit of their powerful allies. The longer you drag the war out the better. All of this conquest you can do diplomatically, but dont be afraid to declare war if you want things to be a little quicker. Make sure to take the cities ofAdenandMasqatas soon as you can, since you need them to restore the Caliphate. Avoid tough wars by using Spains diplomatic commitments! Make sure to take the cities of. Who are your allies? If Ajam gets too big or runs out of cores, integrate them and expand with new vassals, like Fars, Khorasan, Afghanistan, and Transoxiana. Prussian troops stackwipe Ottos easy in the 1600s. Note: This is ONLY to be used to report spam, advertising, and problematic (harassment, fighting, or rude) posts. Only having 49k is little. Once you declared war on Tunis, expand Fezzan in the desert itself and take the powerful coastal provinces for yourself. This is typically when other great powers take their opportunity to declare war on the ottomans so they end up fighting 3 wars at once. I allied Lithuania and attacked Ottoman Empire that was allied with Tunis and Crete. If you have built up your nation in the 1650-1821, you should be able to handle them as Spain. If you can't get to them early, you may need to wait till later in the game. Total is plus 83%. their armies are pretty much always superior to any other nations, even when massively outnumbered. I'd suggest playing more aggressive in your conquests, or try to botch them early on because that always works best. Dont give them land though, thatd be a waste of your precious war score. Best time to hit them is in the first 50 years of the game, and the last 100 years of the game. Continue building up your army as the force limit grows, but beware of your dependence on janissaries. Just make sure you can control your allies, and that their armies aren't so small as to be wiped instantly by the Ottoman hordes. Late mid-game and late game their troops have become much worse though, and if you play western tech you can usually crush significantly larger Ottoman armies in that period. Build up your naval forces if you are uncertain of your navys ability, takeNaval Ideasto give yourself an edge. Their military modifiers will be much weaker in the late game usually. You wouldn't have much issue at all. I never take military idea groups, and I've still managed to take all of their provinces in campaign after campaign. Allies are arguably the most important point. Doesn't always work but it's a solution if you don't want to start a war right away. The guide also assumes that players know the basics of the game, such as constructing buildings, managing armies and finances, and conquering new territory. Ottomans tend to move a 50k stack alone , they move it without having some reinforcements nearby.So you can easily attack this 50k stack and maybe stack wipe it. Depending on how large the Mamluks are, you can finish them off before 1600. While you prepare for a war with Tunis, consolidate your holdings. You wont gain cores on them, butDagestan is a province you will need to retake the Caliphate. Pick one difficult achievement from steam (preferably one that is owned by less than 1% of players) and start a campaign with that achievement as a goal. Personally, to me all of this necessary micro is the worse aspect of the game and what drives me away from it the most. Ally (a couple) big nation(s) to make them not want to attack me to give me time to prepare. If you need a repeatable method, dont annex Morocco after youre done. While you prepare for a war with Tunis, consolidate your holdings. My ally kept Otto busy while I destroyed their navy, and I took forced Tunis/Crete to accept peace by taking their providence and blockading them. Spain will be the toughest nut youll have to crack in this entire campaign and kind of the final boss of this, The Ottomans historically had issues expanding into Persia. Ottoman Empire became modern day Turkey lol. All trademarks are property of their respective owners in the US and other countries. I just don't find it fun to always split my armies, siege a lot of provinces and then consolidate my forces. Is there actually a way to check to see if Janissary Decadence is fired, or do I just have to declare on them and see who gets stackwiped? You can check the Ottoman's development and your own in the ledger, but a rough estimate based on experience and the dates you provided would put you at about ~500 development and the Ottomans at ~1000. At the time the achievement fired it was all of France and Netherlands essentially. You can also take some cash from these extremely wealthy merchant republics. For your finances throughout this run, trade is instrumental. Its fundamental throughout this guide that you use little diplomatic entanglements to further your conquest. With everyone on different sides, and AI sucks at doing multi front wars, Ottoman will usually go for one country instead of everyone at once, allowing the rests of the nations to siege freely. Particularly as Poland/Commonwealth, which has a nice set of military national ideas. There we have it the end of our EU4 guide, as we made the Ottomans easy! Of note, Ottomans actually lose lucky nation status in 1700. Take as much land as you're willing to take. 43.9K subscribers Let's play Europa Universalis IV (EU4) as the Ottomans! Make sure you get enough ships. I beat them 2 times , once as Prussia ( it isn't hard to beat them as Prussia ) and as Great Britain ( I allied Russia so Ottomans had to deal with 2 flanks ).My biggest tip for you is that you dont let Ottomans blob too much .I mean if u see them eating the whole of Russia or the whole of PLC , you have to prepare to go to war with them.Get some good generals , some good moral ( something that ottomans dont have ) and some good discipline and you win . Take at least, More importantly, the land you had to take to unify the Caliphate should have made you a formidable power by now. Then declare (3-4 months later) and invade the opposite front. Valve Corporation. Spain will be the toughest nut youll have to crack in this entire campaign and kind of the final boss of this EU4 Ottomans guide. Venice still owns Crete, and Genoa still has a bunch of islands in the Meditteranean, as well as outposts in Crimea. Congratulations! Cordoba is a landlocked province, so its tricky to fabricate a claim. is a province you will need to retake the Caliphate. Prussia and Commonwealth are capable of wiping out numerically superior Ottoman armies. aside from just taking quantity ideas myself, what can i do to counter this? It's not so much worth breaking truce any more with AE, revolt risk and manpower recovery in the early game being what it is. Honestly, when I want to kill them, I just don't stop declaring war. The better player you are, the more attention you pay to all of this aspects. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. At this point, the war is won. Note :In The runs with Prussia and Great Britain I beat the Ottomans in the last 10-20 years of the campaign, And another thing that I forgot to mention. You must log in or register to reply here. to grant you a bunch more permanent claims all around. Youll gain claims on this area with the missionConquer Mocha, that you get when youve conquered the southern coast of the Arabian Peninsula. Those penalties are insignificant compared to being able to remove them quickly. I knew espionage as last idea group and I figured it wasn't worth it, but wanted to try it anyway for fun. I set up two: the Ottoman Hormuz Company and the Ottoman Horn of Africa company. It just depends on actually winning the first war. Moscow is a tougher nut to crack focus on core conquest to make your way into Russia and take the city. Make sure you are not behind their mil tech level or you will be destroyed, as such it's recommended you weaken them early, They tend to pick a discipline advisor to combo with their 5% discipline tradition, recommend to get as much morale as you can, Use terrain/good generals to your advantage, Get as many good alliances as possible but never declare if they are behind the ottomans in mil tech, You can deny their cores, which is one of the main sources of their strength, You can call a crusade against them if you're the pope which can give you good bonuses. Another front for you to not worry about! You don't need any military idea groups or military national ideas to wipe out the Ottomans. Build up your naval forces if you are uncertain of your navys ability, take. their units start to not keep up with different tech groups making them weaker. If you also have to fight your next target only take cash for shorter truce. By giving them Mosul, I was able to vassalize them. I'd take Constantinople and Edirne so you have a land block of the Bosporus and the Ottos can't move their troops through. Istanbul isnt the problem (obviously), and Rome should be easy takings with your dominance in the Mediterranean. Engage when you have a clear advantage and use your massive amounts of vassals. Best advice for beating ottomans is simply stop being intimidated by their numbers and fight them. They started taking ex-moldavia area and are now beating up Venice, I get what you mean, their base from the provinces is 107 while mine is just 38 :(. . The Otto's will refuse that peace deal, but suffer a stability hit. Ally other countries that have navies. When you control these cities, you gain the permanent modifier. EUIV: AAR's, Let's Plays, and Fan Fiction, EU IV: Alternate History Short Story Contest Contr. If they also lag in mil tech you've got 'em on the ropes. Dont even consider fighting the Ottomans if you arent allied to several strong nations like Austria, Russia or the Mamluks. More importantly, the land you had to take to unify the Caliphate should have made you a formidable power by now. Otto was huge though and Lithuania was getting routed, but I knew that was going to happen. What (military) ideas do you have? With both of them weakening, I swooped in and strengthened my position in the Balkan. For the nations you choose to play and the courses you chart for those nations. The earlier you consolidate around here, the better it is for you. You need to win those navy encounters fast. A place to share content, ask questions and/or talk about the grand strategy game Europa Universalis IV by Paradox Development Studio. Meanwhile, you shouldve gotten Sicily sieged down by now. The next war should be much easier. While if they attack them with you not allied to said nation, it's that big country plus it's allies and then you can start a war with your allies against the Ottoman at the same time. They dont grant permanent claims, so only do them when youre ready to attack Hungary once more. Save up some of the power to reverse the stability effects and war exhaustion and just keep hitting them. We need at least one province deep Persian territory . This part of the guide may look completely different from mine. The way EU IV is designed, if you want to play optimally then you should use the minimum sized stacks needed to siege provinces, split your navy in order to cycle them against strong naval opponents and generally minimise the losses due to attrition. Purchase some mercenaries in Benghazi and siege down at least one of Fezzans provinces, like Sirt. Fortunately, theres a good chance these guys are allied. It's probably a bit late now anyway, once I finish my first game I'm getting a couple of the DLCs and probably not playing as Lithuania again. It's best to strike if they are already in a war. The Ottoman army is pretty bad (compared to Europeans) after mil tech 15. . With both of them weakening, I swooped in and strengthened my position in the Balkan. Take at leastIfni, Malaga, Cordoba, Palermo,andMessinato Unify Islam. After finishing up Sicily and Morocco, you can cross the Strait of Gibraltar and siege Spain itself. This part is for those players who are trying to complete the Unify Islam mission, in which you unite all corners of the vast Islamic world under a single Caliphate once more. The AI is really pretty terrible, even a mediocre player shouldn't have that much trouble beating them. I can see the benefits both ways, but this is usually how I play it. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. Over the years, hes developed a similar passion for writing, which he mostly gains during his studies. This is not specific to this run. So be prepared. With my aggressive expansion pretty high in Europe, its time we shift away. I decided to take Crete as well, but not yet more of Dalmatia. If you manage to get to around 60% war score, then you could demand a province with a fort that you haven't occupied. If you get really lucky, others will follow your lead and you can get a huge dogpile going. Since you cant annex vassals during the war, use your moments of peace to start the process. They have claims on the provinces, which means that if they get the siege, you wont be able to take it in the peace deal. Once they do, you attack. Their military modifiers will be much weaker in the late game usually. JavaScript is disabled. with Castille/Aragon/England or smth. Play your cards right, and you'll be on your way to restoring the Caliphate. Look around Ottoman. As others have mentioned, you can beat quantity with quality. And while it's faster than walking, it can still take like two years if you need to get your one main fleet back from the East Indies to Europe, which can be really annoying. Retake all of Transylvanias cores, including Maramaros, and take the provinces in the state of Alfld. Also always have a military advisor, either a 5% discipline one or a +10% morale one. Basically, you get some strong allies for yourself. In my case, Hungary got into a war with Austria, which saw both their units occupied. Just getting all of the arriving divisions to the front by rail is enough, not to mention everything else. Ottomans also tend not to upgrade forts so it's relatively quick sieging. Otto was huge though and Lithuania was getting routed, but I knew that was going to happen. Then, take 100% worth of war score demands on top of those rebel enforcements, including annulling their treaties. I used to wait until late game to roflstomp them with my Vodka-fueled endless spacemarines but this is no longer an option, since on very hard they blob endlessly and since we share a border in Crimea, war will come. If your army has at least 20 Janissary regiments or over 20% of the army is Janissaries, and your stability is negative, you may be facing theJanissary Coupdisaster which hurts your technological advancements tremendously. The best way to beat this navy is to snipe their fleets which they like to spread out since Mare Nostrum. In this area, you may want to expand recklessly to the point that it nearly breaks your nation. Currently Spain. Is there a way to actually defeat the Ottomans? However, the coastal areas are likely up for grabs. They guarantee the independence of Medina and Cyprus while Hejaz and Fadl are their vassals. form italy (maybe with milan first cause of the sweet ideias), go quantity offensive defensive. Moreover, we need a Moroccan province, Ifni. I'm currently playing a commonwealth run and even dominating muscovy (they still exist but not really) and colonizing siberia, they have double the army/manpower size i do. To repeat some more basic info (so you wont have to hop pages all the time), this, We interrupt this guide for a brief section on damage control, From 1500 onwards, its time to fight anything, anywhere, all the time. A place to share content, ask questions and/or talk about the grand strategy game Europa Universalis IV by Paradox Development Studio. By now, the Ottomans are a powerhouse that dominates the Middle East and the Eastern Mediterranean. Although they may be weak, theyre sitting on at least one province we need to restore the Caliphate Cordoba- and they may have taken Sicily, where we need two provinces: Palermo and Messina. You'll generally need a good amount of mercenaries. To add on to this: Another good time to strike would be right after an important military tech, especially if you can grab it a few years ahead of time. At this point, the war is won. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Uncover the secrets of Hidegpuszta in this classic survival horror, Remorse: The List. Thanks for the help :). Thats right Europe seemed to have forgotten what weve been doing to the other states, so its time for a friendly reminder. Early game there's always the classic no-CB DOW Byzantium strategy, which screws kebab over pretty hard. You may be able to take the Nile Delta, but this could be too expensive at this time. After that, make Paris a state and assign a Pasha to it in the corresponding maintenance screen. If you have questions do please leave them below and I will answer any and all that I'm able to! THIS CAMPAIGN IS BEST VIEWED THROUGH THE PLAYLIST! If you do that, the AI will continue building troops and go further into debt than today's Greece. You can do so by going to the diplomatic interaction screen, selecting diplomatic feedback and toggling join offensive wars off. The QQ exploded in my case and gave birth to an independent Kurdish state, Soran. Let's play Europa Universalis IV (EU4) as the Ottomans! Use your fleet to prevent the Spanish from landing more units in Morocco while you siege it down. Press J to jump to the feed. Fight them after tech 14, they will no longer have pip advantage from troops. Sadly its very hard because not only do they have quantity, i believe its +33% land force from ideas. Late game their units really fall off and while they are numerous, they're squishy. You can take small coastal ports when you peace out their allies to gain an early foothold. Fortunately, this is a coastal province, so you wont have to expand deeply inward. Normally it's about 100-120k? Press J to jump to the feed. Continue building up your army as the force limit grows, but beware of your dependence on janissaries. What do I do? This is part 3 of the Ottomans made easy EU4 guide. They just can't grow to the same extent if they don't have Constantinople. You can run up their war exhaustion very easily. Edit: and why is my force limit only 73k when theirs is 175k :(. Revanchism might have something to do with that https://eu4.paradoxwikis.com/Warfare#Revanchism. So their tech 12 infantry are the same pips as western tech 15, giving you parity, until tech 19 when you can edge ahead. Espaol - Latinoamrica (Spanish - Latin America). Once youve successfully taken Samarkand, the one area you still need for the Caliphate is Thatta, in India. 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